Lions and Tigers and Bears-MI!

You know Motivational Interviewing (MI) as an evidence-based intervention that promotes behavior change… would you like to explore further? Join longtime friends, colleagues, and Motivational Interviewing Network Trainers Amy Shanahan and Paul Warren as they discuss the intricacies of the MI spirit, intentionality, evoking change talk, and reveal what MI is not.  If you are curious about enhancing what you know about MI, reflecting on your practice, and improving your partnership with clients, then link arms with Amy and Paul and listen as they explore the path of MI learning using a fun and thought-provoking conversational style.


Amy Shanahan, MS, CADC (she, her, hers) Read Amy’s full bio here

Paul Warren, BFA, LMSW, MINT (he/him/his) Read Paul’s full bio here

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Archived Episodes 1-12:

Episode 12- MI Coaching and Feedback

In episode 12, Paul and Amy welcome guest Billie Jo Smith, a fellow MINTee and MI practitioner. They collectively explore the value of MI coaching, feedback, and finding a community of MI mentors.

Episode 11-How do I know I’m doing MI?

In episode 11, Amy and Paul discuss verifiability within MI. They explore global measures for behavioral change including the MICA and MITI as well as how feedback can help refine your MI practice.

Episode 10-“Pushing” for Change

In episode 10, Paul and Amy explore the MI Spirit and resisting the righting reflex.

Episode 9-Building Motivation in Clients

In episode 9, Paul and Amy discuss the belief that clients have the wisdom to change, consider ways to soften sustain talk, and how to use change talk to build motivation.

Episode 8- Noticing & Responding to Discord

In episode 8, Paul and Amy explore discord. They discuss resistance versus ambivalence and how professionals can cause a client to be “resistant”, as well as ways to course correct.

Episode 7- Advice Giving

In episode 7, Amy and Paul discuss advice giving, which they call persuasion without permission.  They also discuss an MI congruent way to share information using the elicit, provide, elicit model.

Episode 6- Questions v. Reflections

In episode 6, Paul and Amy talk about how to effectively use intentional questions and reflections.

Episode 5- Developing Discrepancy

In this episode, Paul and Amy discuss developing discrepancy, including the importance of the person being aware of their ambivalence, strategies for talking about discrepancy, and how MI is not about persuasion.

Episode 4- Evoking Change Talk

In episode 4, Paul and Amy talk about how to intentionally evoke change talk and soften sustain talk.

Episode 3- MI Spirit- A Way of Being

In this episode, Paul and Amy discuss the MI spirit as an active way of being that is not as elusive as it may sound. They review the measurability of behaviors partnership, acceptance, compassion, and evocation (PACE).

Episode 2- I’m already doing MI… right?!

In this episode, Paul and Amy talk about how MI is deceptively simple and review the MITI four Global Measures.

Episode 1

In the first episode of the podcast Lions and Tigers and Bears MI!, Amy and Paul explore what MI is and what MI is not, how feedback is a large part of practicing MI, and more!

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